For anyone who wants to understand what is going on between the Cherokees and the state of North Carolina should read this:
http://www.rgtonline.com/Article.cfm?ArticleId=58392&CategoryName=Gaming
It explains the history and working of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act that allows gambling on Indian land.
Wednesday, July 27, 2005
Saturday, July 23, 2005
Pub Poker Report
Angry Ale's 7/21/05
It was a good run, but it was not to be. I played tight boring poker most of the night winning a few hands without ever having to show for the first 2/3s of the night. One memorable hand with 3 table left and I had QQ on the button. I raised 3x on the button and the huge stack on the BB called. The flop is like T, 8, 6 rainbow. Check, check. The turn is a 9. Check, check. The river is a 2 with no flush possible. He pushes and I call saying “If you’ve got a seven, it is time for me to go home” and I turn over the ladies. He mucks, the damn thief.
Tighten again and hit a nice little run just before they broke into the final table. I hit that table with a nice middle stack.
I continued to play tight peeking (calling) at a few hands without hitting and start getting really short. With 8 players left and me at the #3 position, it’s called around to me and I push with Ah6h thinking steal and get a all in with half my chips from the BB with AA. One heart on the flop and hearts on forth and fifth street and I’m good to go. That dude was not happy. I don’t blame him.
After a drought of cards, I’m short stack when we get to 3 players left. I steal a few blinds and win a couple hands when my cards hit. I’m on the button with 66. I push with 20k not caring whether I get a call or not. Small blind calls (he had 24k) and the big blind folds (blinds were 2k,4k). After much confusion counting the chips, he turns over JJ which holds up. Had that hand come through, I would have had no problem with the 2nd stack.
So I ended up 3rd out of 50. I feel pretty good about my play and the outcome. Only the winner goes to the city tourney so I have next season to look forward to. Comments on my play are welcome.
Special K
BTW: We were only playing for pride. Too bad.
It was a good run, but it was not to be. I played tight boring poker most of the night winning a few hands without ever having to show for the first 2/3s of the night. One memorable hand with 3 table left and I had QQ on the button. I raised 3x on the button and the huge stack on the BB called. The flop is like T, 8, 6 rainbow. Check, check. The turn is a 9. Check, check. The river is a 2 with no flush possible. He pushes and I call saying “If you’ve got a seven, it is time for me to go home” and I turn over the ladies. He mucks, the damn thief.
Tighten again and hit a nice little run just before they broke into the final table. I hit that table with a nice middle stack.
I continued to play tight peeking (calling) at a few hands without hitting and start getting really short. With 8 players left and me at the #3 position, it’s called around to me and I push with Ah6h thinking steal and get a all in with half my chips from the BB with AA. One heart on the flop and hearts on forth and fifth street and I’m good to go. That dude was not happy. I don’t blame him.
After a drought of cards, I’m short stack when we get to 3 players left. I steal a few blinds and win a couple hands when my cards hit. I’m on the button with 66. I push with 20k not caring whether I get a call or not. Small blind calls (he had 24k) and the big blind folds (blinds were 2k,4k). After much confusion counting the chips, he turns over JJ which holds up. Had that hand come through, I would have had no problem with the 2nd stack.
So I ended up 3rd out of 50. I feel pretty good about my play and the outcome. Only the winner goes to the city tourney so I have next season to look forward to. Comments on my play are welcome.
Special K
BTW: We were only playing for pride. Too bad.
Friday, July 22, 2005
5th Street Ent. is takin' it to the man
Charlotte company sues to affirm legality of no-money pokerAssociated Press
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - A company has sued five law enforcement agencies that say poker tournaments run without money wagers are still illegal.
Charlotte-based 5th Street Entertainment LLC, which organizes poker tournaments, said the agencies have cost it business by declaring the games illegal and warning that restaurants or bars that host them could lose their state liquor licenses. The tournaments have been forced to stop awarding prizes.
North Carolina's gambling statute "requires that something of value be bet in order to be considered gambling. This is merely a game people get together and play," company attorney William Bunting said.
The Graduate, a downtown Charlotte restaurant, runs poker games two nights a week, but does not offer prizes, general manager Chris Sheridan said. The games are "a really good promotion for us" and no one has told him they are illegal, he said.
"It's just for fun," he said.
The lawsuit said the Guilford County District Attorney's office broke up a game 5th Street Entertainment organized at a restaurant. Mecklenburg County Alcoholic Beverage Control officials said places hosting the tournaments "would be cited for alcohol violations and could lose their ABC licenses," the lawsuit said.
Both agencies said they acted after receiving an advisory opinion from the state attorney general in February that said such poker games were probably illegal.
That opinion cited a state law that reads any "person or organization that operates any game of chance or any person who plays at or bets on any game of chance at which any money, property or other thing of value is bet, whether the same be in stake or not, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor."
The company filed its lawsuit last month in Mecklenburg County Superior Court against Attorney General Roy Cooper, Guilford County District Attorney Stuart Albright, state Alcohol Law Enforcement director Mike Robertson, Mecklenburg County ABC law enforcement chief William Cox and the state of North Carolina.
The case asks the judge to declare that poker tournaments organized by the company do not violate the law and to reimburse the company for legal expenses.
The attorney general's office this month asked the judge to dismiss the case. Previous cases have established that poker is illegal in North Carolina, the motion said.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. - A company has sued five law enforcement agencies that say poker tournaments run without money wagers are still illegal.
Charlotte-based 5th Street Entertainment LLC, which organizes poker tournaments, said the agencies have cost it business by declaring the games illegal and warning that restaurants or bars that host them could lose their state liquor licenses. The tournaments have been forced to stop awarding prizes.
North Carolina's gambling statute "requires that something of value be bet in order to be considered gambling. This is merely a game people get together and play," company attorney William Bunting said.
The Graduate, a downtown Charlotte restaurant, runs poker games two nights a week, but does not offer prizes, general manager Chris Sheridan said. The games are "a really good promotion for us" and no one has told him they are illegal, he said.
"It's just for fun," he said.
The lawsuit said the Guilford County District Attorney's office broke up a game 5th Street Entertainment organized at a restaurant. Mecklenburg County Alcoholic Beverage Control officials said places hosting the tournaments "would be cited for alcohol violations and could lose their ABC licenses," the lawsuit said.
Both agencies said they acted after receiving an advisory opinion from the state attorney general in February that said such poker games were probably illegal.
That opinion cited a state law that reads any "person or organization that operates any game of chance or any person who plays at or bets on any game of chance at which any money, property or other thing of value is bet, whether the same be in stake or not, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor."
The company filed its lawsuit last month in Mecklenburg County Superior Court against Attorney General Roy Cooper, Guilford County District Attorney Stuart Albright, state Alcohol Law Enforcement director Mike Robertson, Mecklenburg County ABC law enforcement chief William Cox and the state of North Carolina.
The case asks the judge to declare that poker tournaments organized by the company do not violate the law and to reimburse the company for legal expenses.
The attorney general's office this month asked the judge to dismiss the case. Previous cases have established that poker is illegal in North Carolina, the motion said.
Wednesday, June 01, 2005
Legality of Poker in NC
http://litfpitr.blogspot.com/2005/03/i-fought-law.html.
To summarize a letter from an ass. attorney general with the state:
1) Anyone that operates a game of chance or plays any game of chance at which any thing of value is bet shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.
2) Gambling is defined in three elements - games in which the players have tendered some consideration for a chance to win a prize.
3) A court or district attorney could also decide that appearance and performance at the tournaments are, by themselves, consideration, even in the absence of the purchase of anything at the bar. (This is where the argument breaks down in some Bar Poker cases, I believe...more later)
4) The AAG seems to abandon the need for consideration to be shown above when he writes "The fact that the poker tournaments purport to be totally free of charge is of no consequence. “It is the character of an activity which determines what it really is, not what the parties choose to call it.”"
5) he further writes "Based upon the foregoing, ... these tournaments appear to be an inducement intended by the bar and restaurant owners to increase and advertise their liquor and food businesses. As such, consideration may be found in either the liquor and food sales at the tournaments, or the players’ appearance and performance at the tournaments, which is a form of advertising as it exposes them to the bar or restaurant. The game of chance element is, of course, the poker game itself, and the payoffs are the prizes won at the tournaments’ end. Therefore, all the elements of illegal gambling exist in these poker tournaments.
This is such contrived horseshit. Notice in #2 that the AAG writes that it is the player that tenders some consideration, meaning something of value, presumably to the operator of the event. He stretched this meaning to be simple one's presence. I guess he considers advertising to be gambling, and why not. The outcome of the action is out of the hands of the player since I am under no obligation to purchase anything while at the bar. All advertisers certainly pay consideration for the ads they place and they hope to win my business. That sounds more like illegal gambling than bar poker. Does that make every business in NC an outlaw?
Lastly, the AAG's opinion is contingent of there being a prize for the player at the end of the tourney. The last few tournaments that I have played in have been totally prizeless which would seem to be legal, even in this AAG's opinion. I guess he will stretch his argument to include a title and pride as a prize of value in his next opinion. So bar poker players of NC, shuffle up and deal as long at there is no prize involved
To summarize a letter from an ass. attorney general with the state:
1) Anyone that operates a game of chance or plays any game of chance at which any thing of value is bet shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.
2) Gambling is defined in three elements - games in which the players have tendered some consideration for a chance to win a prize.
3) A court or district attorney could also decide that appearance and performance at the tournaments are, by themselves, consideration, even in the absence of the purchase of anything at the bar. (This is where the argument breaks down in some Bar Poker cases, I believe...more later)
4) The AAG seems to abandon the need for consideration to be shown above when he writes "The fact that the poker tournaments purport to be totally free of charge is of no consequence. “It is the character of an activity which determines what it really is, not what the parties choose to call it.”"
5) he further writes "Based upon the foregoing, ... these tournaments appear to be an inducement intended by the bar and restaurant owners to increase and advertise their liquor and food businesses. As such, consideration may be found in either the liquor and food sales at the tournaments, or the players’ appearance and performance at the tournaments, which is a form of advertising as it exposes them to the bar or restaurant. The game of chance element is, of course, the poker game itself, and the payoffs are the prizes won at the tournaments’ end. Therefore, all the elements of illegal gambling exist in these poker tournaments.
This is such contrived horseshit. Notice in #2 that the AAG writes that it is the player that tenders some consideration, meaning something of value, presumably to the operator of the event. He stretched this meaning to be simple one's presence. I guess he considers advertising to be gambling, and why not. The outcome of the action is out of the hands of the player since I am under no obligation to purchase anything while at the bar. All advertisers certainly pay consideration for the ads they place and they hope to win my business. That sounds more like illegal gambling than bar poker. Does that make every business in NC an outlaw?
Lastly, the AAG's opinion is contingent of there being a prize for the player at the end of the tourney. The last few tournaments that I have played in have been totally prizeless which would seem to be legal, even in this AAG's opinion. I guess he will stretch his argument to include a title and pride as a prize of value in his next opinion. So bar poker players of NC, shuffle up and deal as long at there is no prize involved
Tuesday, May 31, 2005
Poker ruled a Game of Chance
From the Raleigh N&O - May 23, 2005:
"A North Carolina judge ruled earlier this week that poker is not a game of skill, as its supporters claimed, but rather, it is a game of chance, and thus illegal. The court's decision related to a lawsuit filed by a fledgling Durham poker club against former District Attorney Jim Hardin Jr., who claimed that poker wagering violates the law. The Joker Club planned to open their own poker establishment, and even began leasing a building in November. The club would have been operated for profit, with the club retaining a percentage of the wagers. "Although Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson said that gambling laws, which date back to the 19th century, are ambiguous and possibly outdated, he said that he still had issue his decision according to the existing legislation. According to North Carolina law, betting is illegal in games having a predominant element of chance. The Joker Club and its lawyers attempted to prove that poker was more a skill than a game of chance. Judge Hudson, however, failed to see matters their way and decided that poker is too heavily influenced by chance to be considered a skill game."
Complete article at http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2437150p-8841760c.html
"A North Carolina judge ruled earlier this week that poker is not a game of skill, as its supporters claimed, but rather, it is a game of chance, and thus illegal. The court's decision related to a lawsuit filed by a fledgling Durham poker club against former District Attorney Jim Hardin Jr., who claimed that poker wagering violates the law. The Joker Club planned to open their own poker establishment, and even began leasing a building in November. The club would have been operated for profit, with the club retaining a percentage of the wagers. "Although Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson said that gambling laws, which date back to the 19th century, are ambiguous and possibly outdated, he said that he still had issue his decision according to the existing legislation. According to North Carolina law, betting is illegal in games having a predominant element of chance. The Joker Club and its lawyers attempted to prove that poker was more a skill than a game of chance. Judge Hudson, however, failed to see matters their way and decided that poker is too heavily influenced by chance to be considered a skill game."
Complete article at http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2437150p-8841760c.html
Wednesday, May 11, 2005
Cherokee's ask for permission to add Live Poker and more
"The draft of changes was sent to Gov. Mike Easley in early March after the tribe's chief, Michell Hicks, met with Easley. Hicks said in a letter that he would like to conclude the issue by July.A month earlier, Hicks made a similar request for a change in the compact -- one focused on allowing the tribe to offer table games such as roulette, craps, live blackjack and live poker. As it is now, the tribe can offer only video-based games."
http://www.ncrumors.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=376
http://www.ncrumors.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=376
The Poker Prof throws a great freeroll
While I'm on a trip to California, I get a chance to play in the Poker Prof's frist every free roll poker tournament. What a hoot! The first prize was only $50 or so, but everyone played very seriously. Even after we got down to the final 15 and in the money, no mad rush set in. These people really wanted to win.
Part of having a good time is playing well. I did OK, but I could just tell that I was out classed. I caught some lucky breaks and even held the chip lead a couple of times, but my lack of experience caught up with me. I really don't play well with a chip lead. Talk about lack of experience!!!
In any case, I finished 10 out of 193, made the final table and pocketed $5 for my trouble. I can learn a lot by playing with this group. They are running a WSOP sat in the next few days. How can I resist.
Dr. Pauly, Poker Prof, Maudie, and several other names I recognized, it was great meeting you. See you again soon.
CKPony ... aka ... Special K
UPDATE: Dr. Pauly as a great rundown on the whole event at http://taopoker.blogspot.com
Part of having a good time is playing well. I did OK, but I could just tell that I was out classed. I caught some lucky breaks and even held the chip lead a couple of times, but my lack of experience caught up with me. I really don't play well with a chip lead. Talk about lack of experience!!!
In any case, I finished 10 out of 193, made the final table and pocketed $5 for my trouble. I can learn a lot by playing with this group. They are running a WSOP sat in the next few days. How can I resist.
Dr. Pauly, Poker Prof, Maudie, and several other names I recognized, it was great meeting you. See you again soon.
CKPony ... aka ... Special K
UPDATE: Dr. Pauly as a great rundown on the whole event at http://taopoker.blogspot.com
Tuesday, May 10, 2005
Slug
Boy, have I been a slug about updating this blog. Normally, that would be because nothing has be going on, but that is not the case. If anything, too much has been happining. I'll have to post a rundown on our recent trip to Florida for hang gliding and baseball games. It was a great trip and I got a few good pictures along the way. But I can't right now. I've got to get back to work. It will happing soon, for sure.
I'll also have to post my trip to the poker rooms of Nevada and California, but I just got to CA yesterday and work must come first.
I'll also have to post my trip to the poker rooms of Nevada and California, but I just got to CA yesterday and work must come first.
Thursday, March 10, 2005
Illegal Poker Game Raided in Greensboro
The $1000 per seat game was raided in December. All players lost their buy-in and the ring-leader got the book thrown at him.
Posted in the Greensboro News and Record on 3/5/05:Poker players ante up in deal
3-5-05
By Eric Collins, Staff WriterNews & Record
GREENSBORO — Prosecutors on Friday won more than the pot from 14 poker players charged after a late-night raid of a secret Greensboro poker parlor in December.
Under a plea agreement, the players forfeited all the money they’d brought to the $1,000-per-seat Texas Hold ’em poker event — totalling more than $25,000, police officials said.
“I think we punished (them) right where it counts,” Guilford District Attorney Stuart Albright said. “Gambling is all about money.”
The seized money will become state property.
As part of the agreement, only one of the 14 pleaded guilty to criminal charges after stepping forward as the “ringleader.”
Joshua August Andrews, 34, of 4535 Cross Ridge Lane in Greensboro, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of gambling and possession and consumption of fortified wine, liquor or a malt beverage on unauthorized premises.
District Judge A. Robinson Hassell entered a prayer for judgment continued, which means it won’t count as a conviction on Andrews’ record. Charges against the remaining 13 were dismissed under a deferred prosecution agreement, Albright said.
Agents from the state Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement began investigating the poker parlor because organizers were serving liquor to players. Undercover ALE agents began gathering evidence by playing high-stakes poker in the business suite on Ashwood Court in the Lawndale North Business Park. They joined the games of Texas Hold ’em and Omaha poker by making contact with organizers through an e-mail address found on a poker Web site. It cost $1,000 per seat on high-stakes nights and hundreds of dollars for lower-stakes games.
Despite the growing popularity of high-stakes poker — boosted by televised matches on cable — Hassell told the courtroom that “it is and has been ... contrary to our public policy and against the law.”
Poker is legal in the state as long as players do not wager money.
After the hearing, Andrews’ attorney, Davis North, questioned why ALE agents pursued the friendly poker games with such vigor. Warnings to stop the games would have sufficed, he said.
“It just doesn’t seem like a very productive use of resources,” he said.
ALE officials said they received a complaint about the poker games and were obligated to investigate. Another complaint led agents to break up a poker tournament at a southwest Greensboro Ham’s restaurant on Wednesday night. No one was arrested.
The restaurant chain paid 5th Street Entertainment of Charlotte to host the card games, which did not involve traditional betting but included a grand prize trip to Las Vegas that ALE officials considered a violation of state statute.
Despite the recent high-profile cases, there is no statewide crackdown on illegal poker games, said Alan Fields, assistant supervisor for the ALE district office in Greensboro.
“We’re not specifically targeting people playing poker,” he said.
Posted in the Greensboro News and Record on 3/5/05:Poker players ante up in deal
3-5-05
By Eric Collins, Staff WriterNews & Record
GREENSBORO — Prosecutors on Friday won more than the pot from 14 poker players charged after a late-night raid of a secret Greensboro poker parlor in December.
Under a plea agreement, the players forfeited all the money they’d brought to the $1,000-per-seat Texas Hold ’em poker event — totalling more than $25,000, police officials said.
“I think we punished (them) right where it counts,” Guilford District Attorney Stuart Albright said. “Gambling is all about money.”
The seized money will become state property.
As part of the agreement, only one of the 14 pleaded guilty to criminal charges after stepping forward as the “ringleader.”
Joshua August Andrews, 34, of 4535 Cross Ridge Lane in Greensboro, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of gambling and possession and consumption of fortified wine, liquor or a malt beverage on unauthorized premises.
District Judge A. Robinson Hassell entered a prayer for judgment continued, which means it won’t count as a conviction on Andrews’ record. Charges against the remaining 13 were dismissed under a deferred prosecution agreement, Albright said.
Agents from the state Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement began investigating the poker parlor because organizers were serving liquor to players. Undercover ALE agents began gathering evidence by playing high-stakes poker in the business suite on Ashwood Court in the Lawndale North Business Park. They joined the games of Texas Hold ’em and Omaha poker by making contact with organizers through an e-mail address found on a poker Web site. It cost $1,000 per seat on high-stakes nights and hundreds of dollars for lower-stakes games.
Despite the growing popularity of high-stakes poker — boosted by televised matches on cable — Hassell told the courtroom that “it is and has been ... contrary to our public policy and against the law.”
Poker is legal in the state as long as players do not wager money.
After the hearing, Andrews’ attorney, Davis North, questioned why ALE agents pursued the friendly poker games with such vigor. Warnings to stop the games would have sufficed, he said.
“It just doesn’t seem like a very productive use of resources,” he said.
ALE officials said they received a complaint about the poker games and were obligated to investigate. Another complaint led agents to break up a poker tournament at a southwest Greensboro Ham’s restaurant on Wednesday night. No one was arrested.
The restaurant chain paid 5th Street Entertainment of Charlotte to host the card games, which did not involve traditional betting but included a grand prize trip to Las Vegas that ALE officials considered a violation of state statute.
Despite the recent high-profile cases, there is no statewide crackdown on illegal poker games, said Alan Fields, assistant supervisor for the ALE district office in Greensboro.
“We’re not specifically targeting people playing poker,” he said.
Wednesday, March 09, 2005
More Trouble for NC Poker Promoter
From the Hickory Record 3/9/05:
Hickory -- A poker tournament business police busted last week was dealt another bad hand Tuesday.Authorities seized three electronic poker machines from Holdum Foldum on Lenoir-Rhyne Boulevard, SE. Christopher Dietz, who owns the business, was charged Thursday with operating a gambling business.Investigator Bryan Adams of the Hickory Police Department said the machines weren’t properly registered with the Catawba County Sheriff’s Office. The machines each have a yellow registration sticker, but were not registered at Holdum Foldum, Adams said.Investigators believe the business gave payouts on the machines. Players who won got tickets redeemable for food items or discounts, Adams said.Charges - which will be misdemeanors - are forthcoming, Adams said.Adams said his department received numerous complaints about an illegal gambling operation before investigators conducted a search warrant last week.
Hickory -- A poker tournament business police busted last week was dealt another bad hand Tuesday.Authorities seized three electronic poker machines from Holdum Foldum on Lenoir-Rhyne Boulevard, SE. Christopher Dietz, who owns the business, was charged Thursday with operating a gambling business.Investigator Bryan Adams of the Hickory Police Department said the machines weren’t properly registered with the Catawba County Sheriff’s Office. The machines each have a yellow registration sticker, but were not registered at Holdum Foldum, Adams said.Investigators believe the business gave payouts on the machines. Players who won got tickets redeemable for food items or discounts, Adams said.Charges - which will be misdemeanors - are forthcoming, Adams said.Adams said his department received numerous complaints about an illegal gambling operation before investigators conducted a search warrant last week.
Saturday, March 05, 2005
More Bar Poker in Charlotte, Maybe.
Wednesday night at Angry Ale’s Uptown (222 S. Church St., 704-632-3663, www.angryales.com ) enjoyed its fifth week of tournament play hosted by upstart 5th Street Entertainment. I'm not to sure this will continue since the same group (5th street) got busted in Greensboro this week.
Police Raid Freeroll Tourney in Greensboro
It is a sad state of affairs for poker in Greensboro. As reported by WFMY TV2, March 3, 2005 Texas Hold'em Poker Game At Ham's Shut Down
Investigators say the game is illegal because it is one of chance and it offered prizes.Greensboro, NC -- A Texas Hold'em Poker game at Ham's on High Point Road got shut down by State Alcohol Law Enforcement Agents Wednesday night.Investigators say the game is illegal because it is one of chance and it offered prizes.Large and small prizes like food coupons. The grand prize is a $10,000 seat at a poker game in Las Vegas.Ham's hired a company out of Charlotte to run the game and ALE Agents seized the tables, poker chips and other gambling materials used to run it.No one was charged in the case.Ham's voluntarily agreed to call off poker games at other area restaurants scheduled for this week.
http://www.wfmy.com/search/search_article.aspx?storyid=37176
Second Story:
Gambling At Restaurant Spurs Sweeping Investigation
A recent poker tournament a Ham's is just a fraction of activity agents are probing.
Greensboro, NC -- A game of free poker at a Greensboro restaurant has touched of a widespread investigation of illegal gambling.Undercover Alcohol Law Enforcement officers busted a Texas hold 'em tournament at Ham's restaurant Wednesday night. Restaurant owners thought the game was legal because patrons played for free. But agents say any game of chance that offers a prize is illegal.ALE Supervisor Rodney Johnson said, "We live in North Carolina the state that prohibits gambling not in Las Vegas. It should be pretty easy for people to understand."Ham's issued a statement saying: "Ham's restaurant was assured by the promotions company that an opinion had been issued by the ALE that this form of entertainment is in no way a violation of any gaming or ALE regulations."An ALE supervisor says he's unaware of any agency endorsement of the events.Since January, Charlotte-based 5th Street Entertainment has scheduled events at 38 restaurants in nine different cities.Players were competing for a chance to win a place in a $10,000 a seat poker tournament in Las Vegas.
http://www.wfmy.com/search/search_article.aspx?storyid=37231
Investigators say the game is illegal because it is one of chance and it offered prizes.Greensboro, NC -- A Texas Hold'em Poker game at Ham's on High Point Road got shut down by State Alcohol Law Enforcement Agents Wednesday night.Investigators say the game is illegal because it is one of chance and it offered prizes.Large and small prizes like food coupons. The grand prize is a $10,000 seat at a poker game in Las Vegas.Ham's hired a company out of Charlotte to run the game and ALE Agents seized the tables, poker chips and other gambling materials used to run it.No one was charged in the case.Ham's voluntarily agreed to call off poker games at other area restaurants scheduled for this week.
http://www.wfmy.com/search/search_article.aspx?storyid=37176
Second Story:
Gambling At Restaurant Spurs Sweeping Investigation
A recent poker tournament a Ham's is just a fraction of activity agents are probing.
Greensboro, NC -- A game of free poker at a Greensboro restaurant has touched of a widespread investigation of illegal gambling.Undercover Alcohol Law Enforcement officers busted a Texas hold 'em tournament at Ham's restaurant Wednesday night. Restaurant owners thought the game was legal because patrons played for free. But agents say any game of chance that offers a prize is illegal.ALE Supervisor Rodney Johnson said, "We live in North Carolina the state that prohibits gambling not in Las Vegas. It should be pretty easy for people to understand."Ham's issued a statement saying: "Ham's restaurant was assured by the promotions company that an opinion had been issued by the ALE that this form of entertainment is in no way a violation of any gaming or ALE regulations."An ALE supervisor says he's unaware of any agency endorsement of the events.Since January, Charlotte-based 5th Street Entertainment has scheduled events at 38 restaurants in nine different cities.Players were competing for a chance to win a place in a $10,000 a seat poker tournament in Las Vegas.
http://www.wfmy.com/search/search_article.aspx?storyid=37231
Sunday, February 27, 2005
Bar Poker in Charlotte / Pineville
An unsubstantiated rumour has it that Bailey's in Pineville (Hyw 51) has a free-roll texad hold'em tournament every Tuesday Night starting at 7:00. If anyone knows or finds out before I do, please post a comment.
Update: This game is up and running every Tuesday night. Signups start at 7:00 and the tourney starts at 8:00. I was talking with Zack from 5th Street and he still feels that the tournaments are legal and wants to fight the charges from the Greensboro bust at Ham's. More to come on that fight in future posts.
Update: This game is up and running every Tuesday night. Signups start at 7:00 and the tourney starts at 8:00. I was talking with Zack from 5th Street and he still feels that the tournaments are legal and wants to fight the charges from the Greensboro bust at Ham's. More to come on that fight in future posts.
Saturday, February 26, 2005
Bar Poker in Lumberton
Story in the Myrtle Beach Sun News
2/24/05
Poker tournaments take taverns by storm
The big attraction these days at the local tavern isn't karaoke night, a mechanical bull, pool tournaments, tight Levis, jumpin' to the jive of the jukebox or $1 brews.
Brace yourself, parents: The newest craze is tournament poker, Texas Hold 'Em style.
And with a luck and a bluff, you could win a spot in the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas. It's an all-expenses-paid trip with $10,000 to wager against the best card sharks from ocean to ocean.
Scooby's is hosting World Tavern Poker Tournaments every Wednesday.
The overall winner of the tournament - which uses points and chips, not real money - will advance to Raleigh for the state finals. There, someone will earn a spot at the high roller's table in Vegas.
Place winners each night collect points toward seasonal standings, which are recorded on the Internet.
2/24/05
Poker tournaments take taverns by storm
The big attraction these days at the local tavern isn't karaoke night, a mechanical bull, pool tournaments, tight Levis, jumpin' to the jive of the jukebox or $1 brews.
Brace yourself, parents: The newest craze is tournament poker, Texas Hold 'Em style.
And with a luck and a bluff, you could win a spot in the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas. It's an all-expenses-paid trip with $10,000 to wager against the best card sharks from ocean to ocean.
Scooby's is hosting World Tavern Poker Tournaments every Wednesday.
The overall winner of the tournament - which uses points and chips, not real money - will advance to Raleigh for the state finals. There, someone will earn a spot at the high roller's table in Vegas.
Place winners each night collect points toward seasonal standings, which are recorded on the Internet.
Thursday, February 24, 2005
Poker more popular than Sex - but size matters
Survey Reveals America’s Poker Dreams
Over 50% of Americans would abstain from sex for a year in exchange for a big online poker win. The average win required, according to a recent national survey, is $2.3 million.Conducted by StrategyOne, an independent public opinion research firm, on behalf of PokerStars.com, the scientific nationwide survey of American adults also found that men are more likely than women to exchange sex for super-sized online poker winnings, with 61% of adult males going on a year-long sexual furlough versus only 47% of women. Another 17% indicated that they would need to win between $1 and $50,000 in online winnings to give up sex for a full year.When it came to the pot needed to win, size mattered to men. The average cash amount men cited they would require to live sex-free for 365 days was $2.1 million; women were willing to sleep solo for a lesser $1.9 million.The survey also asked respondents who they would most want to ante up with in a game of online poker. Americans selected President George W. Bush as their most-preferred celebrity poker competitor, followed closely by Oprah Winfrey and Bill Clinton. Oprah was also the favorite celebrity among women and hotel heiress Paris Hilton was the celebrity of choice among Gen-Y respondents.
Over 50% of Americans would abstain from sex for a year in exchange for a big online poker win. The average win required, according to a recent national survey, is $2.3 million.Conducted by StrategyOne, an independent public opinion research firm, on behalf of PokerStars.com, the scientific nationwide survey of American adults also found that men are more likely than women to exchange sex for super-sized online poker winnings, with 61% of adult males going on a year-long sexual furlough versus only 47% of women. Another 17% indicated that they would need to win between $1 and $50,000 in online winnings to give up sex for a full year.When it came to the pot needed to win, size mattered to men. The average cash amount men cited they would require to live sex-free for 365 days was $2.1 million; women were willing to sleep solo for a lesser $1.9 million.The survey also asked respondents who they would most want to ante up with in a game of online poker. Americans selected President George W. Bush as their most-preferred celebrity poker competitor, followed closely by Oprah Winfrey and Bill Clinton. Oprah was also the favorite celebrity among women and hotel heiress Paris Hilton was the celebrity of choice among Gen-Y respondents.
Tuesday, February 22, 2005
Gator's in Rock Mount, NC offers free Hold'em Tourney
According to the Rocky Mount Telegram, Gator's Sports Pub is now offering twice a week Texas Hold'em tournaments. The winner gets $100 and risks nothing. Look for many more bars (Sports Bars in particular) to start offering these.
The full article can be found here: http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/marquee/content/marquee/stories
/2005/02/17/20050217RMTPoker.html;COXnetJSessionID=
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Here is the text:Poker fans play intensely at a local tourneyBy FRED MARION, Rocky Mount Telegram
Thursday, February 17, 2005
Twice a week, the balls are cleared off the pool tables at Gator's Sports Pub.
People pull up chairs and rest their forearms on the rails. They set their beers in the corner pockets, and they play cards.
They're lured in by the possibility of winning $100.
Gator's started hosting Texas Hold 'Em poker competitions about 10 weeks ago. To play, participants must preregister and be Gator's members, which costs $5 a year. Admission to the tournaments is free, a necessity to comply with state anti-gambling laws, said pub co-owner Linda Long.
The competitions are held at 8 p.m. Monday and Thursday at the club at 1171 Jeffreys Road in Benvenue Plaza in Rocky Mount.
There are 30 slots for competitors, and the sign-up sheets are often full days in advance. Players who sign up late are added to an alternate list, giving them dibs on a spot if someone doesn't show.
Many of the players are diehards. They've already got nicknames like the Carolina Kid and Stealth.
Tony Howell, 29, is known as the Possum because of his tendency to sleep on his cards until he gets a really good hand. As of last week, Howell had won the competitions three times — more than any other player. Does he think Texas Hold 'Em is a game of skill?
“Some people have won a couple times, so there must be something,” he said.
That something is usually patience.
“I think it's kind of tough not to get excited and start trying to play every hand,” Howell said. “If they're not good to start with, I just get rid of them.”
It's a trait he picked up playing the game online, where players who knows statistics — not how to read bluffs — usually win.
Reading other players and their bluffs can be tricky.
“There's a couple of them (at Gator's) that have dead giveaways,” Howell said. “They don't even realize it, so I'm not going to tell them.”
Howell, who usually plays with sunglasses on so others can't see his eyes, admits that he probably has giveaways, too, but he doesn't worry much about it. He's there primarily to have fun, he said.
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Televised tournaments have generated interest in the game — to the point where it's almost become a pop culture phenomenon. There's the "World Poker Tour" on the Travel Channel and "Celebrity Poker Showdown" on Bravo. There are also dozens of Web sites, which let players compete online.
Part of the game's appeal is its simplicity. Players are dealt two cards, which only they can see. An additional five cards are dealt face-up in the middle of the table. Players can combine their two cards with three cards of their choice in the middle of the table. Players are able to "bet," pass or fold as new cards are dealt in the middle. Everyone starts with chips notionally worth $750, and the winner is the player who manages to capture everyone else's chips.
The amount of skill involved is debatable.
“The people who get down to the end are cautious at the beginning,” Long said. “The smart players.”
Colleen Gardner, 23, often works as a dealer for the pub.
“A lot of it's luck of the cards,” she said.
Still, Gardner said she could never join in and play with the guys.
“I can read every single player on that table,” she said, during a tournament last week.
If she's able to do that, she might know whether a player is bluffing or whether he or she genuinely has a good hand.
Some players' facial expressions change if they get a good hand, Gardner said. Their eyebrows may go up, or their hands might shake.
Noticing little things like that is the sign of a good player. If a player can do it, Gardner said, he or she doesn't need to know what's in an opponent's hand.
There's a three-day waiting period to become an official member at Gator's. Guests cannot play during that time. The club is in the Benvenue Plaza shopping center.
The full article can be found here: http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/marquee/content/marquee/stories
/2005/02/17/20050217RMTPoker.html;COXnetJSessionID=
Cb1R2bnav4NFHiUdtn5qqOr4Vxuq7rvGWK4ssDSKM4JC9mv0D98h
!1799047486?urac=n&urvf=11090958895550.10104146205435915
Here is the text:Poker fans play intensely at a local tourneyBy FRED MARION, Rocky Mount Telegram
Thursday, February 17, 2005
Twice a week, the balls are cleared off the pool tables at Gator's Sports Pub.
People pull up chairs and rest their forearms on the rails. They set their beers in the corner pockets, and they play cards.
They're lured in by the possibility of winning $100.
Gator's started hosting Texas Hold 'Em poker competitions about 10 weeks ago. To play, participants must preregister and be Gator's members, which costs $5 a year. Admission to the tournaments is free, a necessity to comply with state anti-gambling laws, said pub co-owner Linda Long.
The competitions are held at 8 p.m. Monday and Thursday at the club at 1171 Jeffreys Road in Benvenue Plaza in Rocky Mount.
There are 30 slots for competitors, and the sign-up sheets are often full days in advance. Players who sign up late are added to an alternate list, giving them dibs on a spot if someone doesn't show.
Many of the players are diehards. They've already got nicknames like the Carolina Kid and Stealth.
Tony Howell, 29, is known as the Possum because of his tendency to sleep on his cards until he gets a really good hand. As of last week, Howell had won the competitions three times — more than any other player. Does he think Texas Hold 'Em is a game of skill?
“Some people have won a couple times, so there must be something,” he said.
That something is usually patience.
“I think it's kind of tough not to get excited and start trying to play every hand,” Howell said. “If they're not good to start with, I just get rid of them.”
It's a trait he picked up playing the game online, where players who knows statistics — not how to read bluffs — usually win.
Reading other players and their bluffs can be tricky.
“There's a couple of them (at Gator's) that have dead giveaways,” Howell said. “They don't even realize it, so I'm not going to tell them.”
Howell, who usually plays with sunglasses on so others can't see his eyes, admits that he probably has giveaways, too, but he doesn't worry much about it. He's there primarily to have fun, he said.
–––
Televised tournaments have generated interest in the game — to the point where it's almost become a pop culture phenomenon. There's the "World Poker Tour" on the Travel Channel and "Celebrity Poker Showdown" on Bravo. There are also dozens of Web sites, which let players compete online.
Part of the game's appeal is its simplicity. Players are dealt two cards, which only they can see. An additional five cards are dealt face-up in the middle of the table. Players can combine their two cards with three cards of their choice in the middle of the table. Players are able to "bet," pass or fold as new cards are dealt in the middle. Everyone starts with chips notionally worth $750, and the winner is the player who manages to capture everyone else's chips.
The amount of skill involved is debatable.
“The people who get down to the end are cautious at the beginning,” Long said. “The smart players.”
Colleen Gardner, 23, often works as a dealer for the pub.
“A lot of it's luck of the cards,” she said.
Still, Gardner said she could never join in and play with the guys.
“I can read every single player on that table,” she said, during a tournament last week.
If she's able to do that, she might know whether a player is bluffing or whether he or she genuinely has a good hand.
Some players' facial expressions change if they get a good hand, Gardner said. Their eyebrows may go up, or their hands might shake.
Noticing little things like that is the sign of a good player. If a player can do it, Gardner said, he or she doesn't need to know what's in an opponent's hand.
There's a three-day waiting period to become an official member at Gator's. Guests cannot play during that time. The club is in the Benvenue Plaza shopping center.
Sunday, February 13, 2005
NC State Legislature May Take up Poker Bill
I found this little tid-bit in the Ashville (NC) Citizen-Times. On January 26, they published an article outlining the top 10 areas of legislative interest to western North Carolina. Number 10 went like this:
10) Indian gaming: State lawmakers could weigh in on whether poker is legal in North Carolina. If state lawmakers permit live poker games, then it increases the chances that such games could come to Harrah’s Cherokee Casino and Hotel.
More to come on this for sure. The whole article is here: http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050126/NEWS01/50126006/1001
Update from the Durham Herald-Sun Feb 17, 2005:
"A court bid to legalize poker by branding it a game of skill rather than chance was postponed Thursday until March 10."
Complete article here: http://herald-sun.com/durham/4-577978.html
10) Indian gaming: State lawmakers could weigh in on whether poker is legal in North Carolina. If state lawmakers permit live poker games, then it increases the chances that such games could come to Harrah’s Cherokee Casino and Hotel.
More to come on this for sure. The whole article is here: http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050126/NEWS01/50126006/1001
Update from the Durham Herald-Sun Feb 17, 2005:
"A court bid to legalize poker by branding it a game of skill rather than chance was postponed Thursday until March 10."
Complete article here: http://herald-sun.com/durham/4-577978.html
Joker Club Hearing in Durham Postponed to March
Here is a story in the Durham Herald-Sun that updates the lawsuit that is trying to force a ruling that Poker is a game of skill and thus legal in North Carolina:
Poker club in Durham is at stake
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sunjstevenson@heraldsun.comFeb 12, 2005 : 11:57 pm ET
DURHAM -- A state attorney will put his cards on the table this week when he asks a judge not to allow a commercial poker club to open in Durham.
The Joker Club filed a lawsuit against Durham District Attorney Jim Hardin Jr. in November after Hardin said he would tell police to crack down on anyone who tried to open a gambling business in Durham.
These are the stakes:
Since betting on games of chance is a misdemeanor criminal offense in North Carolina, the club wants a judicial declaration that poker is a game of skill rather than chance. A hearing on the suit is scheduled this week, with the state Attorney General's Office representing Hardin.
The Joker Club also argues in court filings that the law prohibiting poker wagering is unconstitutional.
But the Attorney General's Office showed a strong opposing hand in recently filed court documents.
Assistant Attorney General David J. Adinolfi II said it is well settled in the state Court of Appeals and Supreme Court that "poker is a game of chance, hence illegal."
"It is axiomatic that a Superior Court cannot overrule the Supreme Court or Court of Appeals ... ," Adinolfi wrote.
There is no statute, case or any other authority in North Carolina law that says, or even implies, that poker is legal, he added.
"It simply is not legal, and there exists no controversy on the subject," he wrote.
Durham lawyer Marcus Hill and Raleigh attorney Allen Powell represent The Joker Club.
"I think the attorney general's position is mistaken," Hill told The Herald-Sun. "Poker is not against the law. It is not gambling because it is a game of skill."
The Joker Club leased a building on Ferrell Road in November. It hopes to operate "a business that allows adult persons to play poker against one another and whereby [the club] will retain a portion of funds which are wagered by the players," court documents say.
But everything is on hold until a judge decides the chance-versus-skill question. ...
The entire article is available at http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-576096.html
Poker club in Durham is at stake
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sunjstevenson@heraldsun.comFeb 12, 2005 : 11:57 pm ET
DURHAM -- A state attorney will put his cards on the table this week when he asks a judge not to allow a commercial poker club to open in Durham.
The Joker Club filed a lawsuit against Durham District Attorney Jim Hardin Jr. in November after Hardin said he would tell police to crack down on anyone who tried to open a gambling business in Durham.
These are the stakes:
Since betting on games of chance is a misdemeanor criminal offense in North Carolina, the club wants a judicial declaration that poker is a game of skill rather than chance. A hearing on the suit is scheduled this week, with the state Attorney General's Office representing Hardin.
The Joker Club also argues in court filings that the law prohibiting poker wagering is unconstitutional.
But the Attorney General's Office showed a strong opposing hand in recently filed court documents.
Assistant Attorney General David J. Adinolfi II said it is well settled in the state Court of Appeals and Supreme Court that "poker is a game of chance, hence illegal."
"It is axiomatic that a Superior Court cannot overrule the Supreme Court or Court of Appeals ... ," Adinolfi wrote.
There is no statute, case or any other authority in North Carolina law that says, or even implies, that poker is legal, he added.
"It simply is not legal, and there exists no controversy on the subject," he wrote.
Durham lawyer Marcus Hill and Raleigh attorney Allen Powell represent The Joker Club.
"I think the attorney general's position is mistaken," Hill told The Herald-Sun. "Poker is not against the law. It is not gambling because it is a game of skill."
The Joker Club leased a building on Ferrell Road in November. It hopes to operate "a business that allows adult persons to play poker against one another and whereby [the club] will retain a portion of funds which are wagered by the players," court documents say.
But everything is on hold until a judge decides the chance-versus-skill question. ...
The entire article is available at http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-576096.html
Another Sign that Poker is Growing
Here is an excerpt of an article in today's LA Times titled "The game's afoot with high-end tables":
People make millions playing poker now, and millions watch them on TV. We envy the sunglasses, those piles of chips -- and that cool poker table.
You want one, and furniture makers are listening.
What they're hearing, though, is that style is as important as function.
Game tables also must be stylish, able to blend with upscale furnishings, or convert from game table to regular table.
And, as befits an era of entertainment centers with $10,000 plasma TVs and Surround Sound, many of the offerings are priced to match.
Fedde Furniture in Pasadena, Calif., for example, carries large game tables by Maitland-Smith in the $3,000 to $5,000 price range, with matching chairs at about $500 each. Smaller tables are closer to $2,000.
As manager Melinda Kinney explained, Maitland-Smith, based in High Point, N.C., makes collector-quality pieces. Customers who have spent thousands on a room for entertaining want furniture of equal quality, and price is not a factor, she said.
For people seeking quality and function but who also must weigh price, I.M. David Furniture offers tables for about $1,000, with matching chairs for about $500.
A recent article in the Wall Street Journal reported that 65 companies planned to show game tables at a trade show in 2004 in North Carolina, compared with just seven in 2000.
The entire article is available at http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/221598-9948-053.html
People make millions playing poker now, and millions watch them on TV. We envy the sunglasses, those piles of chips -- and that cool poker table.
You want one, and furniture makers are listening.
What they're hearing, though, is that style is as important as function.
Game tables also must be stylish, able to blend with upscale furnishings, or convert from game table to regular table.
And, as befits an era of entertainment centers with $10,000 plasma TVs and Surround Sound, many of the offerings are priced to match.
Fedde Furniture in Pasadena, Calif., for example, carries large game tables by Maitland-Smith in the $3,000 to $5,000 price range, with matching chairs at about $500 each. Smaller tables are closer to $2,000.
As manager Melinda Kinney explained, Maitland-Smith, based in High Point, N.C., makes collector-quality pieces. Customers who have spent thousands on a room for entertaining want furniture of equal quality, and price is not a factor, she said.
For people seeking quality and function but who also must weigh price, I.M. David Furniture offers tables for about $1,000, with matching chairs for about $500.
A recent article in the Wall Street Journal reported that 65 companies planned to show game tables at a trade show in 2004 in North Carolina, compared with just seven in 2000.
The entire article is available at http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/221598-9948-053.html
Billiard Tourney in Rocky Mount, NC
Here is an article from the Rocky Mount Telegram where the WPBA is holding the Mueller Recreational Products Carolina Classic this weekend. In case you are in the area and interested, it is being held at the Nash Community College. It is a shame that they don't have an event planned for Charlotte.
Billiards or poker?By Jeff Gluck, Rocky Mount Telegram
Saturday, February 12, 2005
It would have been natural for the billiards community to panic when ESPN picked up the poker craze.
Texas Hold'em could have left the Women's Professional Billiards Association out in the casino lobby, but pool insiders insist there's room for both.
Poker isn't about to knock pool off ESPN. In fact, 2004 was the WPBA's best year yet in terms of televised hours of the sport, and the interest seems to be growing exponentially.
"Our popularity doubled from 2003 to 2004, I know that," said Tony Davis, the creator of The Spider teaching tool.
Davis knows because the fees to advertise his product have risen dramatically, a by-product of increased exposure.
Peg Ledman, a Tour organizer, said the WPBA's ESPN contract calls for 24 hours of original programming.
"With re-runs, that's more than 100 hours last year," she said. "That's more than we've ever been on."
Helena Thornfeldt has been playing billiards for 23 years, and said the sport has only touched the tip of the pool cue.
"We're only at the beginning," she said. "Everywhere we go, people know us and are getting excited. This is our first year (in Rocky Mount), and there's already a lot of people. You can imagine what it'll be like next year.
"I mean, we really put on a good show."
Besides, pool and poker don't have to be competitors. The tournaments for both activities are usually played in casinos. Pro player Kelly Fisher said there's potential for a combined event.
"The two would combine quite good, to get someting infused," said Fisher, a North Carolina resident. "They go hand-in-hand. There could be a possibility."
Davis said pool is a sport that everyone can appreciate, regardless of skill level.
"This is a sport for all ages, all shapes and all sizes," he said. "You don't have to do the 100-yard dash in 9.3 (seconds) or jump high. You just have to have great hand-eye coordination."
Billiards or poker?By Jeff Gluck, Rocky Mount Telegram
Saturday, February 12, 2005
It would have been natural for the billiards community to panic when ESPN picked up the poker craze.
Texas Hold'em could have left the Women's Professional Billiards Association out in the casino lobby, but pool insiders insist there's room for both.
Poker isn't about to knock pool off ESPN. In fact, 2004 was the WPBA's best year yet in terms of televised hours of the sport, and the interest seems to be growing exponentially.
"Our popularity doubled from 2003 to 2004, I know that," said Tony Davis, the creator of The Spider teaching tool.
Davis knows because the fees to advertise his product have risen dramatically, a by-product of increased exposure.
Peg Ledman, a Tour organizer, said the WPBA's ESPN contract calls for 24 hours of original programming.
"With re-runs, that's more than 100 hours last year," she said. "That's more than we've ever been on."
Helena Thornfeldt has been playing billiards for 23 years, and said the sport has only touched the tip of the pool cue.
"We're only at the beginning," she said. "Everywhere we go, people know us and are getting excited. This is our first year (in Rocky Mount), and there's already a lot of people. You can imagine what it'll be like next year.
"I mean, we really put on a good show."
Besides, pool and poker don't have to be competitors. The tournaments for both activities are usually played in casinos. Pro player Kelly Fisher said there's potential for a combined event.
"The two would combine quite good, to get someting infused," said Fisher, a North Carolina resident. "They go hand-in-hand. There could be a possibility."
Davis said pool is a sport that everyone can appreciate, regardless of skill level.
"This is a sport for all ages, all shapes and all sizes," he said. "You don't have to do the 100-yard dash in 9.3 (seconds) or jump high. You just have to have great hand-eye coordination."
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